04-08-2018, 10:09 AM
(04-07-2018, 11:41 PM)Focks Wrote: As of a recent update, ODSTs have been moved over to the ONI prowler, and a majority of times they're played as government spooks. Not only is it inconsistent with the purpose of the ODSTs by and large, as they are special forces and still fall under the UNSC Marine Corps. It's also a frustration to players, the government spooks are more often than not off on their own incongruent mission, leaving the marines in a bad place and not assisting them because "You're not allowed to know why I'm here", or operating outside of the chain-of-command and attempting to be their own separate force entirely from the UNSC.
I'm suggesting the 4 man team be reinstated on the UNSC frigate, as the wiki page on ODSTs mentions that "[They] maintain units of varying strength aboard many UNSC vessels and installations". And as James mentioned on the discord, the prowler being set up for various ERTs. Someone mentioned break-ins of the ODST armory being an issue, if this is the case, I suggest moving it to some unused space, perhaps somewhere on deck-1, where it's not easily accessable, and just give ODSTs higher access around the ship.
Hopefully moving them back to the frigate would help increase cohesion between the ODSTs and regular marines, as bringing them back under the same chain-of-command and having them as part of the crew puts them back in a much more integrated position.
I'm sure I've missed something, and I'd love to see where this goes, and what people have to add or detract from it.
Special thanks to Kudzu for being my editor and helping me sort  the post!
What I noticed from this, and most of the replies in this thread is that everyone is missing the main issue here:
a majority of times they're played as government spooks.
The issue is not the separate vessel, its use which can be argued, but rather how ODST players interpret their character.
What I constantly see happening is ODST's acting like they're the shit and marines are idiotic scrublords.
In addition you see ODST's acting like they're a deathsquad for ONI, which also isnt fully correct. Ofcourse ONI operators frequently insert themselves within the regular chain of command, just look at the entire Harvest chain of evens where the guy commanding the colonial militia covertly was an ONI spook.
So no, it isnt unheard of, nor illogical for an ONI officer to command a squad of ODST's or even regular marines. What the actual problem here is, is the way the ODST players are RP'ing their characters.
((And if they really wanna be dicks, the only ones they'd have a beef with as per lore are spartans, as chief killed some of their guys in a gym at one point.)